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Yes, I agree with you- it is overly simplistic to say individualistic/collectivist. But one starts somewhere to try to grapple with topics like this.

My experience of living in the US South was that the hospitality was only on the surface and often fake. Behind the veneer was an unspoken "now you'll owe me" covering whatever the interaction was. The so called hospitality was never about the needs of the guest but instead about what the host would get from the transaction.

I called the Southern US a "guess culture" because people would do things in the name of hospitality- often obviously reluctantly-and if you didn't read their minds correctly and return the hospitality in the way they - unspokenly - expected you to do there likely would be serious social consequences. But if you directly asked what they wanted in return- they'd get offended at that too.

And yes, certain groups of people are simply never ever accepted in the South. Non-English speakers aren't welcome for example.

In the Northern US I find things are much more direct. People's hospitality is more genuine and if they can't accommodate you they'll say so if they expect something in return they'll say so. There is more acceptance of many more kinds of people. Many different languages are spoken and are welcome in my Northern city for example.

The sense of personal space is also different in different parts of the US : in a cafe in the South someone will put packages, coats, hats on other chairs - sometimes using 3 chairs for one person's self and belongings. Here in a cafe in the North people contain self, coat, packages, hats on or under the chair in which they sit.

The use of space and the interactions within space is so different... I see the Southern US as (over simplifying again) more individualistic in the "I don't have to consider others around me" sense. The Northern US as (over simplifying again) in the "I need to consider others around me" sense.

I see this reflected in the architecture and the city design...and even in the road signs.

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Related to your topic: when I moved away from the more conservative areas of the southern United States to a more liberal area of the US I noticed that the private houses in the conservative areas had small common areas and large private areas. But the private houses in the more liberal areas have much larger common areas and smaller private areas.

Similarly I noticed the more liberal northern areas of the US have more and larger common areas in public too.

Almost makes me wonder which comes first the general attitudes or the architecture.

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